Podcast episode 7 - interview with Haitian Vodou priestess, Mambo Sandy (includes transcript)

Mambo Sandy is the god daughter of Houngan Hector, also known as Papa Hector, and is based in New Jersey in the USA. She is initiated in Haitian Vodou and in Peurto Rican Sanse Espiritismo. She talks to TarotCraft about divination, cigar reading, Haitian vodou and more.

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Transcript of interview by Allison Jean of TarotCraft with Mambo Sandy of New Jersey, USA.

25 February 2020

Allison

Mambo Sandy is the god daughter of Houngan Hector, also known as Papa Hector, and is based in New Jersey in the USA. She is initiated in Haitian Vodou and in Peurto Rican Sanse Espiritismo.

As a God child of Houngan Hector, Mambo Sandy has received intensive training on how to help people with all types of spiritual ailments and life issues. She also has a special interest in helping women reconnect with their sensuality.

Raised by her grandmother, a woman who had great knowledge of herbs and other natural remedies, Sandy learned to pay close attention to her dreams and the signs that nature provides. She also has a special connection with animals and is a Psychic Medium blessed with the spiritual gifts of empathy, clairaudience and clairsentience. She is a Clear Channel for the Spiritual Guides and Entities.

As a healer, Sandy is gifted with the ability to lift causes and carry out cleansing of the spiritual body. She has helped many people receive justice when they were being treated unfairly. She is also blessed with the ability to make just the right spiritual bath or ritual that can help to heal your spiritual body.

Being an entertainer herself she has helped many people in the entertainment community. Sandra also has the gift of bringing a sense of humor to any situation in a tactful manner. She is a warm and deeply compassionate person who works with people from all walks of life and has a special place in her heart for the black sheep and outcasts among us. She can be contacted for readings, consultations and ceremonies such as the Haitian vodou Lave Tet

email : help@mambosandy.com
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Allison:
Thank you Mambo Sandy for joining us today. I really appreciate you spending the time to come on and have a chat with us about your experiences with divination. Maybe we could start with just telling everybody listening a little bit about you as priestess and spiritual coach.

Mambo Sandy:
Well, thank you for having me today, sister. Let's see, I'm not used to really talking about myself, but I started this journey, I'm going to say in about the year 1997 or 1996 around that time. Before that, as a child, my grandmother, she used to read the coffee grinds. Sometimes she would ask me what I saw and sometimes she would just have friends over casually. Maybe to me as a child, they were friends, but she would have coffee and Danishes out and people would come and just casually have conversations with her. But I believe that at the end, that's what she was doing - reading their coffee grinds.

So, she taught me how to pay attention to my dreams. As I got older, she taught me about herbs. And then when I got in, I'm going to say, my early 20s I met someone and my journey into the African traditions have started. I did readings here and there for people, but it wasn't through the coffee readings. I would sit with someone - I forget what this is called, but it's something where you can use a book, or the Bible or something like that.

Allison:
I think that's called bibliomancy.

Mambo Sandy:
Yes, I would do that, or I would sit with the person and talk with them and then things would start to put a story together for me. I was introduced to the Tarot actually where I used to work at this club. One of the girls, she would come in and she would tell me different things about the Tarot and that she was a Tarot reader. I never got a reading by her but she introduced me to the Tarot. And then when I met Mambo Sunnie, she taught me about the Tarot. And then when I met Papa Hector, he taught me how to read with a cigar, and also how to read with regular playing cards.

Allison:
That just sounds amazing. Your grandmother sounds like an amazing woman.

Mambo Sandy:
She was. I'm going to say what she would say - she was the neighbourhood healer. She would actually -  when ladies were going through the change - because ... actually, Allison, she could be considered my great-grandmother because if she was alive today she would be 102. She was really my great-grandmother. I'm going to say really, she was my great-grandmother because she was really up in age when I was a child. The women would come to her about their problems when they were going through the change. She pulled the little kids' teeth, she would put a string around it and pop it out of them.

Allison:
I remember having that done when I was a kid.

Mambo Sandy:
So, she was that type of woman. What I appreciated and learned from her was she was humble and she never was scared to send someone when it was out of her scope.

Allison:
Yes.

Mambo Sandy:
She never was afraid of that.

Allison:
I wish more people would do that now.

Mambo Sandy:
Yes.

Allison:
I think some spiritual workers are amazingly talented and can do many things and help people in many ways, but I think most spiritual workers and people who are professional diviners do have perhaps a more narrow niche. You can't be a jack of all trades.

Mambo Sandy:
Right. Right, exactly.

Allison:
I think with, say women of your grandmother's generation, for example, they wouldn't have tried to do everything. It's very different now. Anybody can go on to YouTube or onto the internet and find out bits and pieces of whatever and cobble together some so called professional practice out of a bit of this and a bit of that, but at the end of the day what they're doing is nothing, and it's probably more harmful than helpful.

Mambo Sandy:
Yes. And you know what? I'm always one to tell about my mistakes because a lot of times people don't want to talk about their mistakes. But I will tell you a mistake that I made with the Tarot. I had got my first deck of cards. I did not bless them, and this is before I met Mambo Sunnie, and before I met my very first mentor after my grandmother passed. Because like I said, she didn't read cards. She read the coffee, and she could analyze your dreams. She was a very good dream analyzer. She could do that. If you needed some more help, this is what she would say to you. "I can give you a basic bath," so she would give you something with hyssop, because hyssop is a purifier. It can purify anything. She would give you something, to use like a spiritual band-aid, just until you could get the help you needed. And she would tell you, "I can't help you with this, but I know someone that can."

Allison:
Yes.

Mambo Sandy:
I didn't know anything really about the Tarot until I got older. One day I got the cards, and mistake number one, I didn't bless them. That's number one, wrong. And then as I learned, some people will do something they call birthing their cards. They'll put the cards under their pillow. I didn't build a relationship with them. That was mistake number two. I remember a spread that kept coming up. It was the Devil. I can remember to this day. It was the Devil, the Hanged Man, the Moon card, the Empress and after that came the Fool. Well ...

Allison:
*laughs* Sorry. Oh dear. And then what happened?

Mambo Sandy:
Something within me said maybe you should draw another card and it’ll be better, and I’m like okay. I’ll do that. I drew the card and I get the one with the 10 of swords in the person. It’s in their back. I think it’s in their back, right?

Allison:
Yes.

Mambo Sandy:
Well, I sat there for a good 10 minutes, and I'm not going to lie, I said I'm going to open up the manual now.

Allison:
*laughs* That's gold!

Mambo Sandy:
Yes. I said I'm going to open up the manual. Something inside of me already was like, "No, you know there's something not good here. Don't do that." Already, something told me that this is not good. From the time the Devil came down from the first card. And then after that the Death card came up. That was it. I said you know what? I don't know what's going on here, but evidently, this is not the situation, but here was the saving grace. The Star card came up. Now, Miss Allison in your experience what was it that that spread represented?

Allison:
Well, I would say that basically, on a couple of levels, the combination of those cards all coming up together and at once, it's telling you that you know what lady, you've got a lot of shit to deal with, you've got a lot of shit to look at and you better get ready. You better strap yourself in and buckle up because you're going on a ride. This is what you go through as a spiritual person if you truly want to evolve spiritually. And if you're someone who is, I would say, your path is to be a spiritual worker, you're going to have to deal with every single bit of shit that is in your life. You can't avoid any of it, you can't not look at it.

And then I would say that if you're a person that's your first Tarot spread or you get that very early in the peace, I would put that away. I would put that deck away. I would not touch the cards, I would work on myself spiritually in other ways before I even approached divination. But when you're a person that you've already had a path with divination, from a child you're exposed to it, you had some teaching, you had some training, you had some protection from your grandmother and from other spiritual mentors. So to me that says here, this person is someone who they need to work on their stuff. They need to work on their stuff for their survival.

Mambo Sandy:
Yep.

​Allison:
If you decide not to look at it, you're probably going to get hit by a bus. And then with the Star card coming up, it's telling me that not only are you going to work on yourself spiritually, and you with the Star coming up there, you're actually going to teach other people to work on themselves spiritually. Also, on the other level, the Star brings a blessing wherever she comes through, so she will bless all of that shit. Turn it into compost, basically.

Mambo Sandy:
Well, Miss Allison, you know what, sister? I did go on a really big spiritual ride.

Allison:
Yes, you sure did.

Mambo Sandy:
I'm going to tell you what I did with that deck of cards. I took that deck of cards, I asked whatever - at that time, the only thing I knew was my guardian angel at that particular point in my spiritual journey. And I said, I apologize to the Universe, I apologize to anyone that I offended, but I'm going to take these cards, I wrap them up in ... I think I had a piece of purple cloth, I wrapped them up and I politely put them up on my bookshelf and I didn't touch them for years and years.

One day I was cleaning up. Like I said, I almost forgot they were there. I actually forgot they were there, and I was moving. At this point I met my next spiritual mentor, Miss Gail and she wasn't a espiritista. I didn't know this, like how they say hindsight is 20/20. But I did know that she was on the path to be a Santera. But before her being a Santera she was an espiritista. She would say to me, "I am not your teacher." This is what she was saying to me all the time. "I am not your teacher. Your teacher, he will come." Now, I'm going to tell you what's deep about that situation. You know how they say, we don't pay attention till something really just hits you in the head?

Mambo Sandy:
Well, when she said, "Your teacher, he will come," I didn't hear “I'm not your teacher, but he will come.” “I heard your teacher will come.” That's how much crap, as Papa Hector says, when you're purifying yourself and you're cleansing yourself and you're getting rid of all of those causas and all those bad things that hold you back in life.

Allison:
Yes.

Mambo Sandy:
Sister, it wasn't until five years ago I was sitting with Papa Hector, and it hit me like a ton of bricks. Mind you, I was 27 when I met her. 27, 28 about that age. I'm now 47. This was like five years ago, I'm sitting with Papa and it hit me like a ton of bricks. It was him.

Allison:
Wow.

Mambo Sandy:
He was who she was talking about. I met others, but she said “your teacher will come.” “He will come”, but I didn't hear that. I heard “your teacher will come”. I met Mambo Sunnie who was very good ... she was a mother. She was like a second mother to me. Oh god, she was so many things. I'm trying not to get emotional, but she was there for me but she wasn't my teacher. She was my teacher to a point, but she was more so of a guide than a teacher.

Allison:
Yes. That's a really interesting difference. Someone who is a guide as opposed to a teacher. I understand that, it makes a lot of sense.

Mambo Sandy:
Yeah, and hit me like that. I looked at Papa and I said, "Papa, it was you." He was like, "What are you talking about, Sandy?" You know how Papa can be. I was like, "Miss Gail, she told me about you," and I'll tell you something else interesting. Here's something interesting that she did with me.

One day, I came in from work late. I came in early in the morning. She used to call me Storm because it was my stage name. She never really called me Sandy except for she was upset or something. But she said, "Storm, come on in. I want to talk to you." She sat me down, and I can still see her. I can still see her, I can smell her smoke. She used to smoke Newports, and I remember her sitting me down at her table, and she lit up the candle. And then she had me light up a candle. And she said to me, "You see, you're not ready to help others yet. You're not ready to learn certain things yet."
And she says to me, "Look at your candle flame." The candle flame was jumping all over the place, Allison. Yeah, it was. Hers was a steady flame. It was just steady, straight up and down. Now, here's another thing, and this happened about, I'm going to say my third or fourth year with Papa. One day he asked me to light a candle, and I lit the candle and the flame was straight.

Allison:
Oh, wow.

Mambo Sandy:
Allison, I just started crying. Allison, because it reminded me of her. You know what I'm saying?

Allison:
Yeah.

Mambo Sandy:
The journey that I've been on. I'm sorry if I segued.

Allison:
No. No, this is so interesting. This is exactly the right stuff. This is great.

Mambo Sandy:
And I lit up the flame. Iooked at the flame and I looked at Papa and he was like, "What's going on?" And I was like, "Miss Gail told me that when I'm ready, the flame will be straight. It will be like a straight flame." And to this day, I remember that.

​Allison:
Wow. I've got goosebumps just thinking about it.

Mambo Sandy:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). This journey, Allison, has been something else. I'll tell you something else interesting about ... Long ago, I'm going to say maybe my third year Papa, Papa wrote a bio out for me. He wrote my bio on my website because this was his arena. He's been doing this since a child so I knew he knew what to say, what not to say and how to put it together, so I put it in his hands.

Allison:
Sure.

Mambo Sandy:
Well, let me tell you. Everything he wrote, it was like if he wrote my spiritual life, I'm telling you, this man ... At first when he told me he said, "Well, one of the gifts that you have is to remove causas off of people. And I was like, "Oh, wow." I was like, "Wow, this is great. This is wow."

Allison:
Can I just ask you, for people who don't know what a causa is, can you just explain that?

Mambo Sandy:
Oh, yes. Causas are like negative spirit, I'm going to say unelevated spirits. They're causes, problems that you have in this lifetime. Things that you have to work through. Hold back spirits they're also known as. They can cause you to keep going in the same circles over and over, cycles. Well, you know too, Allison.

Allison:
Yeah, I know, but it's nice to hear things in your words. Okay, thank you. So yes, he said that one of your gifts was to remove the causas from people?

Mambo Sandy:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). May I ask, how do you see them? Because I like learning as well So from you, from your standpoint.

Allison:
I think my understanding is that it's a similar thing. We go through life and we come up against the same problems over and over. And that, as far as my understanding, that's the causa, or the cause, or the problem. And when someone who is able to remove that, I guess, then you begin to heal and you begin to find some balance. Because the causas are things that keep us off balance, and away from our correct path. So, whether it's a spirit, whether it's just some psychological construct, I don't know, but whatever it is, they're the things that cause our problems in life that we need to deal with in order to progress.

Mambo Sandy:
Exactly. Now, when he wrote this, I was like, "Oh, wow, I can do this," but let me tell you. In order to help people with their problems, you must remove yours and go through a whole hell of a lot of shit.
Well, Allison, you've seen me and you saw all the different weight gains I had. You saw where it was times that you could visibly see that my back was killing me, but I had to walk through that. I had to go through that pain, I had to go through those things because now I realized from the date that he wrote that until now, these are the type of people that are coming to me.

Allison:
Yes, yeah. I think that's often the case that the people that come to a spiritual worker or a reader, there's often a mirroring of issues.

Mambo Sandy:
Exactly, different times, different things. I would notice and I would ask Papa like, "Papa, well, how come all of a sudden I'm getting all these male clients?" He was like, "Well, there's something that actually you have to deal with. You're helping them, but they're also showing you certain things." Like I said, I will always talk about my flaws as well. I had a thing where I felt like men could just be heartless, they didn't care about how their woman felt and all these things. Well, for one whole year, I got nothing but male clients just about-

Allison:
Wow. That's a real message there because I'm sure for most readers, mainly our clientele is probably 80% women.

Mambo Sandy:
Yes.

Allison:
So to have a year where you're having only male clients, that's certainly something going on that you need to look at.

Mambo Sandy:
Exactly. And I'm like, what is it with ... I had maybe one or two female, and then there was one particular one who kept having the same problem, and I'm like this is so weird. This is the weirdest thing. So with that doing the divination, it taught me sometimes when you're a diviner people can come and they can show you lessons, they can show you things if you're open.

Allison:
Absolutely. I think our spirits can use, God, whatever you want to call it, can use anything in our lives to teach us if we're open to learning.

Mambo Sandy:
Yes.

Allison:
Let me ask you. When clients come to you, what forms of divination do you use with your clients and what's your favorite method?

Mambo Sandy:
Allison, it depends on what the spirit tells me that day. Some days it could be I'll do a cigar.

Allison:
I would so love to know more about cigar reading. How does one read a cigar? Can you give us just a little bit of an overview?

Mambo Sandy:
Sure. I'm going to speak for myself. [inaudible 00:24:14] cigar and I'm talking to the person and I start to see a lot of ... You know how people try to blow those circles, rings and things like that?

Allison:
Yes.

Mambo Sandy:
Well, if I see a lot of those, just natural, the cigar just starts to make those type of rings and things like that, I know that it has to do with something that they're dealing with within their spirit. It could be them going through the same cycles like we talked about.

If it starts to ash really fast, I know that they have a lot of issues they have to deal with.

If in a situation where it's about money, if they're asking me about financial problems, and the cigar keeps going out, it'll just go out. I'm like, there's a serious blockage and issue here.

That's how I read with the cigar. And sometimes the spirit will just start, and the spirit will grace me to start speaking to me, telling me about the problem that the person is having. And I'll look at the cigar and I'll look at how the ashes are on the cigar. If there's little inconsistencies in the cigar, how it's burning, even how it's burning, if it's burning uneven, if it's burning uneven or even, if it keeps going out, just looking at how the ashes are situated on the cigar, all of those different things.

Mambo Sandy:
My next one is water. I'll take a glass of water.

Allison:
Just water?

Mambo Sandy:
Yes.

Allison:
This is wonderful.

Mambo Sandy:
Well, I used to do that until Papa told me a story about our lineage, Mama Juana, I think it was either her or I think it could have been one of his aunts ... I'm not sure, it's somebody in our lineage. One of the elders in our lineage, she would just read the person. She would just read the person, but what happened is sometimes people are very uncomfortable with that, so if you put a glass of water there, what I do is I look at the water just like when we do a Misa.
It's the same concept, the same thing. I'll look at the water, I'll focus and I'll start to hear the spirits who start to speak. I'll also look at the bubbles. If bubbles start forming in there, sometimes I'll see a pattern. I'll see a pattern in the bubbles. what else? Sometimes if the person really is in a situation, you could actually start to see the water get cloudy.

Allison:
Well, yes, that would ... I personally haven't seen that, it sounds amazing. That sounds incredible.

Mambo Sandy:
But you have to look at it. You really have to pay attention to it because it's ever so slight, but you can look at from when you first started with that person and you're like, this water is ... Like how Papa teaches us to be aware of everything.

Allison:
You've said my two favorite words a few times during this little chat. My two favorite words are pay attention. When I teach people about Tarot, when I teach people psychic development, the key to everything is to pay attention.

Mambo Sandy:
Right.

Allison:
Do you understand?

Mambo Sandy:
Mm-hmm (affirmative), yes.

Allison:
Everything you need to know will be there, but you've got to pay attention. People tend to think that psychic information or information from the spirits will come in a particular way, but it can come in many ways. You have to expand your consciousness and put away your preconceived ideas about how that information might come from the spirits or from your own higher knowing.

Can I ask you, what advice would you give someone who was just starting out learning divination, whether it's Tarot or any other system? What advice would you give someone who is a newcomer to divination?

Mambo Sandy:
Get a mentor, find a godparent, find a mentor, find someone that knows what they're doing because divination is still a door to the other side. And depending on the problems, like I said in the beginning with me, I had never did divination. Then when I did meet up with Mambo Sunnie on my journey with her, I learned how to read with coconut shells. That was through Apollo ... it was with ... the Santera - people use fresh coconut. Usually they do use fresh coconut, but I also learned how to read with just the dry shells called chamalongos.

I learned that, but the thing is, once again, I had mentors around me, so I was not in danger like that. But for someone to just pick up a deck of cards, it's still a pathway. And if you're not clear, people don't want to understand and admit that trickster spirits exist. They exist.

Allison:
I think that one of the traps that people who are new to using cards or anything like that, is they keep asking the same question over and over hoping to get a different answer. And that is a great way to open a door for the trickster spirits to come in and mess with you. What do you think?

Mambo Sandy:
I agree. I agree 100%. At this point from the things that I've seen Allison, I just really think people shouldn't just do that. I feel like from altars to cards, because I'll tell you, one time I decided to use ... Was it the pendulum, a pendulum?

Allison:
Yes, mm-hmm (affirmative).

Mambo Sandy:
Once again, trying to find my whatever, and it just was not something good. After that, luckily Miss Gail, bless her, she was like, "You need to take a spiritual bath, and I'm going to make this bath for you and you're not going to do anymore. You're not going to do any divination for yourself, or anyone. This is not for you in this journey right now," and she made that absolutely 100% clear.

So, I'm going to say, I really strongly believe that someone should reach out to a mentor. They really should do that. I just don't recommend people… because that's just how people go…and they want to mess with a Ouija board.

Allison:
I was just talking about the Ouija board in a podcast episode I did yesterday. I don't think that a piece of cardboard that's made in a factory is the problem. But it's like you said, that it can open a door. If you just pick up the phone and dial any random numbers, who knows what you're going to get on the other end?

Mambo Sandy:
Exactly.

Allison:
It's different when you know the number to dial and who you're going to get on the other end. I think for me, one of the big problems with people messing around with divination, whether it's Tarot cards, playing cards, Ouija board or whatever is that they do it for fun, like it's a bit of a game. They don't take it too seriously.

​Mambo Sandy:
Exactly.

Allison:
Honestly, I would tell a newcomer that this stuff is as serious as the grave. It's not to be messed with. It's to be approached respectfully and with, I call it good spiritual hygiene. If you're just approaching it to just mess around with it because you want to feel a bit edgy or whatever, no, just put it aside.

Mambo Sandy:
I'm glad you said that. I am so glad you said that. I'm going to share this with you. The reason why I also say get a mentor, and I think you should have some type of cleansings and something done first is because of this. When I used to be with Mambo Sunnie, sometimes we were invited to do these different Spring Equinox festivals, okay?

Allison:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Mambo Sandy:
And the couple times that we did them, there was a lady there. And the lady, Mambo Sunnie knew her and she dealt with a lot of heavy depression. Now, she would read for people and here's what will happen because sometimes I will end up sitting next to her, or I was nearby her. How about she would think that the readings she was giving were for her? I mean, it was supposed to be for the people, but the reading was for her.

Allison:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yes, I've seen that.

Mambo Sandy:
Because the people would get up and be like, no, she's this, she's that. This is wrong. And I'm like, what is going on? So finally, an experienced reader sat down with her, but didn't tell them that person was a reader. The person basically told her, "Look, you might get some answers from these people, but these cards that keep coming down, these are you. This is for you, and you need to get yourself together." Because it's hard to read someone, especially if you're going to read for somebody else, and you're unclear. You don't have any clarity, you're not clear.

That's why I'm a stickler for just get a mentor. Don't try to be edgy, don't. A lot of young teenagers, they're doing this, they're trying to read their friends and a reading can mess someone up. That's the other thing. It's like people take a reading so lightly.

Allison:
The way that I came to Tarot is when I was a kid growing up in the 80s my mom and her sister would sometimes go and have readings. I don't even know how I knew that, but they used to. I remember she came home one day from ... I think I was about 13 or 14, she came home and told me all these things that the reader said about me, and none of those things came to pass, but my mother believed them. They were all really negative things, but my mother believed them. She held that belief about me all her life, even though it wasn't true. It didn't come to pass, and I've never forgotten it either.

Mambo Sandy:
Exactly.

​Allison:
I'm still mad about it, and I'm nearly 50 and I was probably 14 when she had this reading. So, even just from a very pragmatic perspective, even without going into anything spiritual, that reading was damaging for my mother, for me and for the relationship between her and I.

Mambo Sandy:
Except. You know, Allison, I'm going to tell you something. I'm so glad that you brought that up. Do you know the same thing happened with me and my mother?

Allison:
Really?

Mambo Sandy:
I'm going to tell you the story real quick. Even though my grandmother would say, you want a reading, you can ask me. But her, and for whatever reason I'll never know, her and my mom at my birth, I think I was about two months old, her and my great-grandmother weren't really speaking. So, she goes down to the boardwalk where we live at, and she goes to one of these so called fortune tellers, and I'm going to say that for a reason. She brings me in there, I'm told by my aunt because my aunt was much younger than my mom, but she was old enough to remember this situation.

The reader told my mother, that both of your daughters will not be there for you when you get older. But you'll have a son, and your son will be there for you. She told my mom ... What did she tell my mother? She told my mom that the oldest girl, she will have the sight, but she will not be around you, and some other stuff. And then she said that my sister, my younger sister, she can hear ... It was something about ... Oh, no, that she can have dreams, but her dreams, she'll have confusion with them and things like that.

Well, here's the thing. Her telling my mother that, she didn't go into ... and that's telling a half truth. That's the other thing, giving half information or how Papa say sometimes even trickster spirits can give you good information of the truth, but there's lies mixed in the truth.

Allison:
Yes, definitely.

Mambo Sandy:
What she failed to say to my mother was, there was going to be things that go on that needed to be handled, so that wouldn't happen, so that we would be there for her. You get what I'm saying?

Allison:
Absolutely 1,000%.

Mambo Sandy:
You see? She didn't give all of the information. I don't know if she couldn't see it, or I don't know what it was, but being a reader, it is a big responsibility and she caused problems between me and my mom. My mom when we were told, she was like, "Yeah, well, I was told that you weren't going to be there for me anyway." And yeah, my brother was there for her, but the situation was my mom kind of carried him.

Allison:
That’s so interesting. It is such a responsibility to do readings for people whether you're a beginner or you want to be a professional. It's a big responsibility.

Mambo Sandy:
Yeah, because you can tell someone, well, this and this is going to happen. I was listening to one of your podcasts earlier and you said in your podcast, you were briefly talking about the Devil card coming up, okay?

Allison:
Yes, mm-hmm (affirmative).

Mambo Sandy:
And how we can the positive side, and a lot of readers sometimes when that card comes up their whole body will change, and it makes you the recipient get even more scared.

Allison:
Yes. That's true. Well, Mambo Sandy, I have really enjoyed this conversation, and there are so many things, I have so many more questions to ask you, so many more things I want to unpack out of the information that you've shared. It's just been amazing, but it's probably a good time for us to wind up this episode, and I hope that you will come back and we can talk more because there's so much more to talk about. I wonder, would you please share your professional offerings and where people can get in touch with you please?

Mambo Sandy:
Sure. Well, I offer spiritual baths. I do spiritual baths, consultations. I make all different types of jewelry that's dedicated to the spirits for protection, for self confidence, spiritual protection. And exciting news I have is I will be doing a Lave Tet in July.

Allison:
That's fantastic. Can you explain what a Lave Tet is for those who may not have come across the term before?

Mambo Sandy:
Sure. A Lave Tet is what we consider a very deep cleansing. It's also the fortifying of one's spirit, it also baptizes the head. It is a cleansing of the head, the tet meaning head, lave meaning wash. So, it's the washing of the head, it is an amazing experience that will lift off a lot of, I'm going to say negative energy. It will also put you into place correctly with your spirits that you have that are on your head, that you have that are walking with you.

This is under the Haitian Voodoo system of practice. I had a Lave Tet by Papa, and it does two things. It fortifies you, and it also makes you come to terms and makes you, as you said earlier, deal with your stuff, deal with your nonsense.

But once that's over, you start to feel and receive all of the benefits of knowing who your spirits are, knowing you have a Papa or a Mama that's going to be their spiritual teacher to help you and guide you for the progression that you will receive after this Lave Tet, but you must remain dedicated. And I just want to throw this out there. A lot of times people will come to me and they'll say, "I want to know who my spirits are." And I'll say to them, "Why?"

Allison:
Sure.

Mambo Sandy:
"Why do you want to know?"

Allison:
You can't do anything with them if you're not initiated.

Mambo Sandy:
Exactly right. And also, what's the point of knowing them, and you're not going to do anything with them? It's not a game as you stated earlier. So, how they can reach me is at help@mambosandy.com. On YouTube, they can find me on YouTube, Mambo Sandy, and they also can find me here on Anchor and Facebook and Instagram.

Allison:
Thank you and I will include the links in the show notes. Thanks again, Mambo Sandy. This has been a wonderful conversation, and I wish we could just keep talking and talking and talking, but life beckons and we must go on.

Mambo Sandy:
I know.

Allison:
But I do hope we can talk more in the future on the podcast.

Mambo Sandy:
Yes. Yes, please, anytime. And I thank you for bringing me on and learning from you as well.
Allison:

Well, thank you and have a great day.

Mambo Sandy:
You too. Bye, bye.

Allison:
Bye, bye.

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